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Notes: Also seen as "Hinselpecker". This is the one "brother" who appears to have remained, at least for a time, in the newly independent United States, after the others had moved up to Canada in the mid 1780's. Was likely NOT a loyalist. Neither Joh n nor Michel were ever listed in the muster rolls of loyalist troops (at least, not tthat anyone has found). Because of this fact, he is currently the likeliest choice for Coonrad's (who married Elizabeth Smith) father. This "John" was on the ta x lists of Franklin, Bergen County, New Jersey, from 1780 through 1797.

There is a slight chance, depending on the researcher and strength of opinion, that this particular John "Hanselpacker" is one "paralleled" by a John Packer, also of Franklin (then "Saddle River") township, in the same timeframe. My PERSONAL opin ion is not in agreement with those who would think this way, for nothing other than the following fact. Why, if a person were changing their surname from Hanselpacker to Packer, would they keep using it on the tax lists through 1797, and have the ir son use the name on his marriage record as "Hanselpacker"? It makes very little sense, with those facts in mind. However, so as not to preclude the possibility, here are some "facts" about John PACKER:

Filed for Rev War Pension No. S3635, in Bergen County, New Jersey, Private, NJ Militia, in the Court of Common Pleas, 31-Oct-1821, John Packer, a resident of Franklin Township, Bergen County, New Jersey, age 71 years, b. 25 Dec 1760 (MAKE NOTE) "i n part of Saddle River Township; now callled Franklin Township; Bergen Co; NJ;" died, late 1840 at Campgaw.

(MAKE NOTE) I find it strange that the dates don't match up. If one were 71 years old in 1821, one would have to be born in 1750 not 1760. Surely and acceptable mistype or misread, which MIGHT make a world of difference, if there was more detail ed information available on John Hanselpacker!

I still don't hold to the theory about THIS John Packer, being the same John Hanselpacker. If the Hanselpackers of Bergen eventually changed the surname to Packer, it was AFTER 1808, sometime.

http://www.jedh.com/src/jhwill1788.htm

From Phil O'Leary, another more likely reasoning can be made, when taking into consideration the following facts:
A Margaret Tice, wife of John Packer, died 12-May-1843, aged 81 years, 7 months and 17 days. and is buried in the Wyckoff RDC Cemetery (RDC=Reformed Dutch Church). That would put her birth year around 1761, and, her connection to the RDC, indica tes at least a likelihood of a greater chance of her marrying another Lutheran. Not that there weren't "English" Lutherans, too, but, less common.

Now to throw a major twist into the theories. In a tax list for Bergen County in 1793 (10 years after the others moved to Canada) the following names are found: John Hinselpecker, John W. Packer, Conrad Packer, Thomas Hammon, Samuel Romine, Alber t Wilson, Peter P. Tise, Abraham J. and Abraham H. Garretson. The name of Tise was prior, Tice, and prior Theiss. Garretson was later "Garrison" and prior Gerritsen or Gerritson. There is a greater chance that THIS John was actually the fathe r of Michel Henselbekker, but that, again, still remains unprovable. He may, however, be considered a possibility of being the one Johannes proposed for Warden of the Ramapo Church in 1774 (see notes on "Mr. Henselbekker") If this particular Joh n ever went to Canada, it was likely sometime after 1800.

Another note of interest regarding John. Or, perhaps, a son of his named John??? There is record of a marriage between a John Hanselbekker and a Rachel Traphagen, on 22-Nov-1795 at Kakiat, New Jersey. Married by George G. Brinkerhoff. Brinkerh off, licensed in 1788, was the "Dominie" at the Kakiat/Kekeat and Ramapo, from 1793 - 18??. In pre-1790 NJ Census, I found three Traphagens: Jonathan (in Hackensack), Johannes (also in Hackensack) and David (in Bedminster, Somerset County). I ha ve no way of knowing which John H'packer this was, who married Rachel. Further research in the area is required. However, am listing the John who married Rachel as SON of this John, for now. Just to allow for search hits on Traphagen, if nothin g else.

Just as John who married Rachel is with this set of parents only because they SEEM to have been the only couple around at that time with the family name, so is Catherine Henselpecker being "assigned" to this couple until some other connection migh t be found. Received information from a "Courter" researcher that Catherine Henselpecker married John Courter around 1795. This, of course, indicating she was amongst the family that remained in New Jersey.

It is without certainty which of the "Johns" will was probated in 1788, my guess is it was either this John or his father.

One might also wonder about "Lena". There is record of an Elizabeth Packer, b. @1773, ?NY? (Kakiat?), married @1793 in Bergen, NJ to Abraham G. Ackerman, chr.. 03-Sep-1759 at Paramus, NJ. Her parents listed as Johannes Packer and Lena (Packer) , with no further information on EITHER parent.

In searching cemetery records of Bergen, Wyckoff Reformed Dutch Church Cemetery, had the following which MAY be the John and Lena mentioned as parents of Elizabeth..

John W. Packer, d. 26-Mar-1835, aged 68y, 6m, 16d (b. 10-Sep-1767)
his wife, "Lany" (Lena?), d. 20-Oct-1830, aged 59y, 4m, 21d. (b. 31-May-1771)
So, that theory may have been a wild guess, IF in fact, "Lany" is the Lena of note.


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  • Birth: Cir 1745
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Notes: May have also been Elizabeth. Too little known about this family.


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